How to Get Your Book Published (Hachette CEO Interview)

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How to Get Your Book Published (Hachette CEO Interview)
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Summary

  • David Shelley, CEO of Hachette US and UK (one of the Big Five publishers, ~220M books/year, $3.5B revenue), explains how publishing works and how writers should navigate it, drawing on 30 years in the industry.

What publishers actually do

  • Publishers’ core purpose is making people realize they want your book amid ~200,000 new US titles annually.
  • Key functions: editorial development to make the book as good as possible; sales to get bookstores to stock it; marketing, publicity, and advertising to create awareness; physical manufacturing (printing, paper quality, typesetting, special finishes like sprayed edges); and global distribution/warehousing (Hachette ships 150M books/year from Indiana to 220 countries).
  • Manufacturing expertise matters: paper longevity, color fidelity, and specialty editions (e.g., Twilight sprayed edges with dual character reveals) are difficult for self-publishers to replicate.

How to get your book published

  • The landscape has shifted from gatekept (hard-copy slush piles, agents required) to more open: digital-first imprints (e.g., Bookouture) accept unagented submissions, publish ebook/audio first, then print if successful; self-publishing is viable and low-cost.
  • Publishers don’t know everything: many bestsellers (e.g., Cali Hart’s Quicks) were rejected, then self-published successfully, then acquired.
  • Advice: don’t be deterred by rejections; trust your gut if you believe your story resonates; self-publish if you have the resources and conviction.

What literary agents do

  • Most submissions to Hachette come via agents; direct submissions are rare due to volume.
  • Good agents: identify marketable books, match them to the right editor/house, negotiate deals (royalties, film/translation rights), and mediate author-publisher disagreements (e.g., cover disputes).
  • Agents’ hit rate is no better than publishers’; many successful authors never had an agent.

How to deal with disagreement

  • Shelley advocates radical candor: be direct and polite about concerns (e.g., cover dislike); frame discussions around “how do we sell the maximum copies?” not personal taste.
  • James Patterson’s cover philosophy: “I see it, I want it” — covers must pop in 2–3 seconds of browsing; a literal cover may not be the best Trojan horse.
  • Compromise is possible (e.g., literary hardcover, commercial paperback); rudeness damages relationships, straightforwardness does not.

Making money vs making art

  • Writers’ motivations span a spectrum: some (e.g., Ronald Firbank) write for artistic integrity with no market; others (e.g., James Patterson, Lee Child) aim for widest reach.
  • Both are valid; commercial success can be artistic (Warhol analogy: making art accessible).
  • Even “product-like” books (e.g., Hessayon’s gardening guides) require artistry — “the best possible words in the best possible order.”
  • Know your aim honestly: if art-first, ignore commercial concerns while writing; if reach-first, study bestsellers, covers, reader reviews, and pick agents with commercial track records.
  • Avoid over-consuming feedback; a good agent can act as a north star.

Choose the right editor

  • If you have a publisher, you don’t need a freelance editor — the house editor’s job is shaping the book.
  • Freelance editors (often ex-publishing) can help pre-submission; many agents also do 3–4 editorial rounds before submission.
  • In a bidding war, meet every bidding editor and publisher (who runs the creative unit); chemistry and passion matter more than money long-term — you’ll work intensely together for years.
  • Publicists join at acquisition but engage heavily near publication: securing reviews, podcasts, TikTok/BookTok, bookstore buzz.

Should you market your own book

  • Publishers have unique distribution leverage: endcaps, front tables, billboards, retailer relationships.
  • Authors excel at grassroots: podcast tours (James Clear did 80 launch-week podcasts), social clips, BookTok/Twitter.
  • High-resource authors (celebrities, CEOs) may layer freelance teams on top; but if a publisher says you must hire marketing, that’s a red flag.
  • Publishing adapts faster than perceived, but outside disruption (new channels) is healthy and authors often pioneer it.

The biggest money trap

  • Don’t automatically take the highest advance. A celebrity memoir took the biggest offer (no clear vision) and sank; another author chose a lower offer with a passionate editor who fixed the ending — the book sold a million copies.
  • Large advances with poor fit hurt long-term careers: weak track record, compromised next deal, publisher loses interest.
  • Passion, vision, and editorial insight often outperform raw advance size.

How bookstores came back

  • James Daunt (Waterstones, Barnes & Noble) revived big stores by making them beautiful destinations (wooden tables, inviting atmosphere) and curating based on customer knowledge, not paid placement.
  • Retailers often know local customers better than publishers; Daunt’s teams sometimes request cover changes for their market, which Hachette usually accepts.

Why moral sense matters

  • Great writers often have a strong moral anchor/subtext (Mitch Albom, C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, Sally Rooney, Paglia, Houellebecq, Nietzsche) — a coherent worldview that compels readers.
  • Strongest IP (Narnia, LOTR, Harry Potter, Disney) all have clear moral universes; justice prevails in mysteries (villain caught); even Talented Mr. Ripley has its own inverted morality.
  • Readers gravitate to integrity and a sense of right/wrong, even if subtextual.

Mystery and thriller rules

  • Mystery: crime (usually murder) + puzzle (who/why) + protagonist solver (amateur, PI, police); high artistry within strict structure (haiku-like).
  • Thriller: “most dramatic moment of an ordinary person’s life” (Jeff Abbott); domestic, spy, or action; twists, adrenaline, fast-paced, cinematic; good doesn’t always win.
  • Horror: visceral dread (pit-of-stomach feeling); fewer rules — good needn’t prevail, shock is deliberate; ripe for subversion (queer horror, feminist horror); likability/relatability optional; conceptual and visceral.

Kids books sell forever

  • Children’s = picture books, middle grade, YA — each distinct; anchoring in a coherent, safe universe is key.
  • Beloved picture books exhibit unique backlist dynamics: sales grow over decades as childhood readers buy for their kids (mushrooming effect); a 1,000-copy launch can become 10M copies in 40 years.
  • Kids’ backlist accounts for far more revenue share than adult backlist; feast-or-famine for authors.

US, UK, and French markets

  • UK/US fiction markets very similar (Connelly works in both); nonfiction similar in self-help; sports/cookery differ regionally (Garten US, Oliver UK).
  • Format preference: US loves hardcovers (bigger margins, higher author royalty); UK loves paperbacks; US hardcover window ~9–12 months (extendable if selling well); UK paperback-first.
  • US mass-market paperbacks (small, snap-shut) discontinued — consumers prefer trade paperbacks/hardcovers that lay flat.
  • France: more cerebral/intellectual; philosophy-centered; distinct tastes (some authors huge only there); culture taken seriously (book minister); but also loves romantasy/sprayed edges.

Paperbacks, ebooks and audiobooks

  • Bundle idea (ebook + hardcover + audio in one purchase) appealing but no compelling economic model yet; consumer demand mainly from top 1% bookish.
  • Streaming models (Kindle Unlimited, Spotify audio) growing: reach new readers (younger, non-book-buyers); Spotify data shows many James Patterson audio listeners are first-time book consumers.
  • Ebook growth plateaued; audiobook growth strong.

Gen Z’s return to physical books

  • Early ebook boom sparked “end of print” fears; instead Gen Z/Alpha embrace physical books (e.g., Heartstopper graphic novels: overwhelmingly physical sales).
  • Drivers: beauty/object quality (sprayed edges), signaling identity, mental health (device detox), tactile experience.
  • Ebook niches: prolific readers (cost deals), older readers (font size), portability; audiobook growth driven by younger men — only segment with rising male readership.

Most books lose money

  • Power law economics: 85% of authors never earn out advance; top 2% of deals (advances $250K+) = 70% of advance spend; ~35% of books profitable; top 4% of profitable books = 60% of profit.
  • Publishers as angel investors (Marcus Dohle, PRH CEO): invest in thousands, few hit big.
  • Low-advance books can smash records (Where the Crawdads Sing — modest deal, UK published by Hachette); high advance ≠ guaranteed success.

Why publish with Hachette

  • Widest spectrum of imprints: ultra-specialist (Jessica Kingsley: autism, gender diversity, Chinese medicine) to blockbuster (Connelly, Patterson, Fielding).
  • Diverse business models: Bookouture (unagented, digital-first, 45% net receipts royalty, no advance — bet on yourself); traditional advances/royalties; global coordination (US/UK CEO unified, increasing global deals, France/Spain collaboration).
  • Strong marketing, publicity, covers, distribution; innovative on digital; global reach.
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