Kurt Metzger

Comedian and podcaster Kurt Metzger joins Danny Jones for a wide-ranging, free-flowing conversation that touches on mind control programs, occult symbolism in American institutions, the Tavistock Institute’s role in social engineering, non-human intelligence as parasites, the Epstein network, psychedelic research, and the hidden influence of elite families and secret societies over politics, religion, and culture. The discussion is dense with references to researchers, podcasters, and conspiracy-adjacent figures, and moves rapidly between topics, often circling back to core themes of control, ritual, and institutional corruption.

• The Tavistock Institute and social engineering

  • Tavistock Medical Center, founded after World War I, is described as one of the most important social engineering organizations in history.
  • Tavistock is credited with orchestrating the British Invasion (the Beatles), pushing gender-affirming care in England, and creating generational labels like “millennial,” “boomer,” and “zoomer” as marketing terms.
  • Courtney Turner and an unnamed co-author wrote The Final Betrayal, a book about Tavistock’s influence. Kurt recorded an episode with them but says there were issues releasing it.
  • Tavistock’s model was first applied to marginalized groups (“hillbillies” and “Black communities”) and is now being applied broadly to the general population.
  • The nuclear family itself is presented as an atomized, engineered unit designed to prevent the building of family dynasties that could challenge elite control.

• The “super users” and elite control

  • A former NSA guest on Danny’s show revealed that there are 10 “super users” who have full access to all classified UFO and black budget information, while most intelligence is siloed.
  • One of these super users attends a church in Kentucky.
  • The real power is held by families more important than ordinary citizens, and democracy is described as non-functional since the public doesn’t even know what they’d be voting on.
  • The “Jason Project” is referenced as DARPA-related eugenics research, and Nathan Reynolds (whose family has insider knowledge) is cited as a source.

• Occult symbolism, sigils, and the American experiment

  • America is described as an alchemical experiment, literally called “the American Experiment” by insiders including Mike Pompeo.
  • The country is tied to Atlantis mythology and was designed as a one-world-religion project connected to the Lucis Trust (founded pre-WWI).
  • HG Wells, Arthur Conan Doyle, and other early 20th-century figures are identified as Illuminati/technocratic figures pushing a one-world religion.
  • Sigil magic is embedded in modern branding and corporate logos. Dr. Heather Lynn’s work on egregores (thought-forms given collective power) is discussed, particularly how corporations function as modern egregores.
  • The White House ballroom was reportedly designed by an Israeli architect named Shalom, laid out like the Temple of Solomon.
  • Solomon himself is described as a bad figure who practiced human sacrifice, and “Solomonic magic” is not inherently good.
  • The Star-Spangled Banner’s melody originated as a Dionysian ode to Bacchus, and Carl Jung wanted to turn Christianity into Dionysian worship.

• The Knights Templar and sacred hermaphrodite symbolism

  • The Templars are described as deeply into the “sacred hermaphrodite” concept, with Baphomet depicted as a bearded figure with breasts.
  • They allegedly used the head of Baphomet (or John the Baptist) as a Ouija-board-like tool to channel the secrets of international banking.
  • They created eternal wars in the Holy Land while secretly conspiring with Saracens.
  • Peter Thiel is suggested to be a modern Templar based on his defense of them.
  • Tracy Twyman’s research (she died under suspicious circumstances) is cited for uncovering Templar and Saturn-related symbolism, including art by John Podesta’s brother that references Saturn ruling the atmosphere.

• Non-human intelligence as parasites

  • Kurt’s working theory is that non-human intelligence operates parasitically, using DNA as a receiver.
  • “Junk DNA” is actually a record of past viral battles; surviving plagues can lead to autoimmune diseases because the immune system becomes too aggressive.
  • Parasites like toxoplasmosis can alter behavior (making hosts fearless), and Kurt speculates the Templars may have used cat-related methods to introduce parasite eggs into their brains.
  • DNA can receive beamed consciousness at certain frequencies (around 8 Hz), which is tied to astrology and moon phases.
  • Consciousness is compared to radio stations—people are antennas picking up signals, and Dionysian cults were about tuning into different consciousnesses.

• MK Monarch and mind control

  • MK Monarch (sometimes called Project Gestalt) is described as a mass mind-control program involving trauma-based dissociation.
  • The term “Gestalt” refers to a hive-mind entity formed by many minds together.
  • Kurt is frustrated that people claiming to be MK Monarch victims often present as mentally ill, which he attributes to the government’s own drug testing on unwitting subjects.
  • The COVID mask mandate is described as a conditioning exercise; masks don’t prevent COVID (known since the Spanish flu), and people now crave the order and compliance they represent.
  • Society is described as being based on OCD and superstition, going back to ancient Egypt.

• Gender-affirming care as social engineering

  • “Gender-affirming care” is described as a marketing term for what is actually gender-deforming, life-disfiguring treatment.
  • Insurance covers sterilization of children while people needing real medical care face $40,000 co-pays.
  • Kurt argues the trans movement destroyed feminism and was pushed heavily for about 10 years as part of a broader social engineering agenda.
  • The concept of “gay” didn’t exist in ancient Greece in the modern sense; the word is a relatively recent marketing term.

• The Trump shooting as ritual

  • Kurt believes the Trump ear-shooting was a staged ritual based on Exodus, where ram’s blood is applied to the right ear, wrist, and ankle to signify being a “willing servant.”
  • Trump losing his shoe after the shooting is interpreted as part of the ritual symbolism.
  • Thomas Crooks’s parents were behavioral modification therapists, which Kurt finds highly suspicious.
  • Charlie Kirk’s killing is described as a “message to the masses” ritual, with his blood draining in the same pattern as kosher animal slaughter.

• Israel, Zionists, and political influence

  • Spencer Pratt is described as backed by Zionist billionaires after he spoke correctly about the LA fires being state-run.
  • Israel is paying influencers through organizations like Fig Tree and Vine to shape online discourse.
  • Nick Shirley is identified as a fake journalist/Mormon front who does photo ops with Howard Lutnick (connected to Epstein Island).
  • The U.S. gave Iran its first nuclear reactor in 1967 under Eisenhower’s “Atoms for Peace” program.
  • The Ayatollah’s rise was engineered by the Trilateral Commission under Carter; Iran’s democratically elected leader was overthrown by the U.S. and Britain to install the Shah.
  • Israel wants to maintain unilateral assassination capability, which is why Iran can’t have nukes (mutual assured destruction would prevent it).
  • Iran’s $20,000 drones are described as more effective than aircraft carriers, and Kurt argues the U.S. could never win a war with Iran.

• Celebrity deaths, surrogates, and the 27 Club

  • Tupac is believed by many to be alive in Cuba; his middle name Amaru references the Peruvian plumed serpent god, and America is named after this serpent, not Amerigo Vespucci.
  • The 27 Club (musicians dying at 27) is described as a pattern where successful artists are killed for their publishing rights.
  • Three major producers control most pop music; Scooter Braun (connected to CIA) threatened to have Kanye institutionalized.
  • Harley Pasternak, who worked for Kanye, was a nutrition scientist for the Canadian Department of National Defense connected to Israel.
  • Hunter Biden has Finger Lakes tattoos on his back; the Finger Lakes region is a major human trafficking corridor between the U.S. and Canada.
  • Jeffrey Epstein banked his sperm before death, and the New York Times reported it is still held by his estate, allegedly controlled by someone connected to Bill Gates.

• Psychedelics and the Catholic Church

  • A Johns Hopkins study gave psilocybin to religious leaders (rabbis, priests, imams) to find a common core to all religions. It failed—psychedelics only enhanced pre-existing beliefs.
  • The study was shut down after researchers were caught partying and doing drugs with participants.
  • There is now a push to integrate psychedelics into the Catholic Church because Christianity is dying in the West.
  • Brian Muraresku’s book The Immortality Key argues Christianity sprouted from Eleusinian mystery cults where participants drank ergot-infested wine.
  • Kurt’s concern is that giving church leaders the power to dose vulnerable congregants with psychedelics creates extreme malleability—essentially MK Ultra with an “M” and “K” in front.

• Kurt’s personal experiences and substance use

  • Kurt used kratom to get off oxycontin and Suboxone; he takes three capsules three times a day and says it provides mental clarity and focus at low doses.
  • He has never done fentanyl and describes it as the worst opiate to kick.
  • He wishes he had tried crack instead of getting two Pfizer COVID vaccines, which he says gave him COVID anyway.
  • He got a rash from wearing shell casings on his head (from the Mystery Boys podcast).

• Researchers and thinkers referenced

  • Dr. Heather Lynn: Wrote about egregores, sigil magic, and the Lucis Trust; joined the Lucis Trust school and documented its exercises; has a Substack and podcast.
  • Gary Wayne: Synthesizes biblical and mythological research from a Christian perspective; explains the serpent in Genesis as a camel-sized necromancer, not Satan; Satan is the accuser who keeps walking around.
  • Matt Erit: Author of Revenge of the Mystery Cults; argues Edgar Allan Poe was fighting against HG Wells/Conan Doyle occultists; Sherlock Holmes plagiarized Poe.
  • Nathan Reynolds: Has family insider knowledge about the Jason Project and elite programs.
  • Tracy Twyman (deceased): Researcher of Templar and Saturn symbolism; died under suspicious circumstances with “dirt on her back.”
  • J.R. Sweet: Author of Mormon Monarch; claims the inner circle of Mormonism is a coven, Joseph Smith was a fraud, and the angel Moroni was originally a pirate ghost with a slit throat.
  • Scott Horton: Anti-war podcaster with an encyclopedic memory of U.S. war history but a complete blind spot for anything religious or spiritual; still believes the official 9/11 narrative.
  • Robert Sapolsky: Neuroendocrinologist who argues free will is an illusion based on genetic and environmental determinism; Kurt strongly disagrees.
  • Eric Weinstein: Mathematician Kurt met at UT Austin; Kurt challenged him on why Iran can’t have nukes if Israel (a theocracy without a constitution) can.
  • Brett Weinstein: Eric’s brother, recently debated Michael Tracy (who Kurt describes as talking like Epstein’s lawyer).

• Free will debate

  • Kurt rejects Sapolsky’s and Sam Harris’s arguments that free will is an illusion.
  • Kurt argues that true randomness exists and some people consistently defy their conditioning.
  • He views consciousness as something that exists independently of brain meat, comparing it to radio signals that the brain receives rather than generates.
  • Sam Harris is criticized for supporting genocide in Gaza and preemptive nuclear strikes on Iran.

• Missing children and trafficking

  • 300,000 unaccompanied minors are still missing in the U.S.
  • Wayfair was accused of selling children (expensive cabinets with children’s names); Kurt believes this was real.
  • Lake Havasu is identified as a trafficking hub connected to the Knights of Columbus.
  • The Paul Franklin scandal is mentioned as another Epstein-like case where only the whistleblowers were punished.

• The CIA as an occult society

  • The CIA is described as functioning like a secret occult society with compartmentalized levels of knowledge.
  • Andrew Bacevich (not Bamante) told a story about being asked to supply child pornography and being told by his superiors to fulfill the request.
  • CIA agents are described as needing sociopathic tendencies; the agency protects pedophile rings rather than dismantling them at the top level.
  • Jim Carrey is mentioned as looking identical to Jeffrey Epstein, illustrating how many people look alike.

• Digital borders and censorship

  • The “Fig Tree and Vine” organization is pushing “digital borders”—monitoring online speech and accusing critics of Israel of domestic terrorism under the IHRA definition of antisemitism.
  • This is compared to China’s Great Firewall, with the implication that the U.S. is becoming a surveillance state.
  • Kurt argues against information restriction: people should be able to read everything and use their own reason to judge.

• Mormonism and Scientology

  • Mormons and Scientologists are overrepresented in UFO research because their belief systems are “porous” and allow new ideas (per Eric Weinstein).
  • The inner circle of Mormonism is described as a coven; Joseph Smith used treasure-hunting practices connected to pirate ghost lore.
  • L. Ron Hubbard was a Satanist who thought he was Satan (per his son Nibs Hubbard).
  • The final initiation in such cults is to invent a religion as a “pathworking game” to put on others.
  • Sasha Baron Cohen (a Levite Cohen from old Oxford money) is described as a “good rich boy” who toes the line; Kurt worked on Who Is America and was naive about how far people would go for money.

• Cannibalism and elite rituals

  • The Epstein files revealed that elites eat children; Kurt says this makes UFO revelations anticlimactic.
  • Adrenochrome was first popularized by Hunter S. Thompson, who Kurt believes shot gay snuff films of boys.
  • Johnny Knoxville described Thompson as a cult leader figure who drugged people from his “doctor bag” and negged them as a control technique.
  • The Bacchus cult in Rome used noble-born children as living altars; Diddy’s mother is alleged to have been involved in Caribbean occult practices.

• Climate change skepticism

  • Kurt argues climate change has been falsified, citing the IPCC and Bill Gates as untrustworthy.
  • Ice caps are growing, not shrinking; coral reef claims are exaggerated.
  • He compares climate alarmism to Jehovah’s Witnesses’ failed end-of-world predictions.
  • Jeff Bezos’s rocket launches are noted as contributing far more to atmospheric pollution than cow farts.

• Kurt’s closing philosophy

  • He doesn’t trust any institution and views institutionalists as “punks” and “order followers.”
  • He believes America is not a real country but an experiment run by the “serpent race” (sons of Cain) and 10 super users.
  • He advocates putting the people in charge into a wood chipper rather than trying to leave the planet.
  • He’s willing to change his mind if someone presents a better story, but he will never trust the institutions.