“I Was Taken By The UFO Program As a Kid!” [Exclusive Interview]

Jordan Jose’s story is one of the most extraordinary firsthand accounts of covert psionic development programs ever shared publicly. A successful serial entrepreneur and high-functioning professional, Jose’s life unraveled in early 2023 when severe PTSD-level flashbacks resurfaced memories of a childhood he had no prior recollection of — years spent inside a classified pipeline run through a front organization called Baker Victory Services in Western New York. What emerged was a detailed account of how gifted children were identified through the GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) program, groomed by psychologists, removed from public school under fabricated mental health diagnoses, and subjected to years of experimentation involving remote viewing, consciousness interfacing with recovered non-human technology, and brainwave-mapped piloting of unidentified aerial phenomena. Jose has briefed Senate Intelligence Committee members, multiple three-letter agencies, and worked alongside figures like David Grusch, Ross Coulthart, and Jake Barber — yet no investigation has resulted. His story sits at the intersection of UFO disclosure, consciousness research, child exploitation, and the urgent question of whether humanity’s next leap will come from within or from above.

The GATE program as a recruitment funnel

• In 2004–2005, Jose was tested through the Woodcock Test of Achievement as part of gifted and talented education screening in Springville, New York, a small rural town with a graduating class of about 120
• He tested with a significant split between verbal and non-verbal learning, and demonstrated unusual visualization abilities — for example, spelling at a college level by mentally picturing words and breaking apart letters in his mind’s eye
• He was not autistic, not psychologically diagnosed, and was by all accounts a normal but highly gifted child
• A team of psychologists began working with him inside the school system around age nine, visiting regularly, pulling him from class for hours at a time, and encouraging him to keep the relationship secret — telling him he was “very special” and that no one else would understand
• This grooming process isolated him from peers and teachers; his absences were unexplained, and no one in the school district knew who was directing the testing
• Jose emphasizes that GATE itself is benign and beneficial — the problem is that a separate entity uses it as an identifier to pluck certain children from the pool

Removal from public school and the Baker Victory Services cover

• Around age twelve, Jose began pushing back, sensing something was wrong; his parents also resisted and tried to move out of the district, but were unsuccessful
• In approximately 2010, a fabricated overlay of mental health diagnoses was applied to Jose, providing the justification to remove him from the public school system whether his parents consented or not
• He was enrolled at a facility at 650 Ridge Road, a nondescript day treatment center operating as a subsidiary of Baker Victory Services — a Catholic-affiliated nonprofit that on the surface served neurodivergent and behavioral health children
• The facility had about 40 kids total, with nurses, psychologists, and psychiatrists on staff; it was highly secure with badge-in/badge-out access, RFID throughout, and no personal electronics permitted
• Baker Victory Services as a larger organization still exists today and does legitimate work; the specific location Jose was held at has since been shut down and was the subject of a $100 million lawsuit over sexual abuse allegations, a supervisor arrested on 210 felonies for record manipulation, and multiple other claims of mistreatment
• Jose’s parents were told he had grown too unstable for public school; the mental health diagnoses were a cover story to facilitate his transfer

The two-year program: ESP training and consciousness manipulation

• For the first two to three months at the facility, things appeared normal — the psychologists from the school stopped visiting, and Jose believed he had been rescued
• Then a new team of interns was hired specifically to work with him, and the process restarted with a new therapist/trainer he calls “Meg”
• The training was structured around developing his psychic abilities, particularly his strong visual capacity, for eventual use in defense applications
• Unlike standard military remote viewing programs (such as Stanford Research Institute’s Stargate program) that use controlled, repeatable protocols (CRV), Jose’s training was fundamentally different
  • The goal was to get the subconscious mind to believe that awareness is the substrate of the universe and that one’s awareness can shift into any other piece of awareness
  • Rather than viewing a target from outside, Jose was trained to become the target — to shift his awareness into a door, a room, a filing cabinet, or any object to extract information from within
  • This approach is rooted in a panpsychist or idealist worldview: consciousness is not produced by the brain but is the fundamental medium of reality, and the material world is a reflexive projection of awareness
• Sessions were conducted with a partner (Meg) who guided Jose through relaxation exercises using binaural beats and auditory stimulation to access theta brainwave states
  • The partner provided a secondary perspective, helping him think through roadblocks — if he couldn’t get through a door, the partner might suggest becoming the door
  • Jose could remain in deep meditation, out of his body, while still communicating verbally with the partner
• The subconscious belief component was considered essential: if the subconscious does not believe something is possible, the conscious mind will not allow it — this applies to psychic phenomena, UAP sightings, and potentially acts as a cognitive filter determining who perceives anomalous events and who does not

Brainwave monitoring and the Prometheus system

• Jose was seated in a chair fitted with an EEG neurofeedback headset while performing cognitive tasks — visualizing, attempting telepathic communication with plants, and other ESP exercises
• Researchers monitored his brainwaves in real time, showing him his own wave patterns on a screen
• They were particularly interested in theta spikes (associated with deep meditation and subconscious access) and gamma spikes (associated with high-frequency neural synchronization, where neurons fire in near-unison, producing high-amplitude states linked to peak psychic performance)
• Neurofeedback was used to reinforce and prolong these states — when Jose produced a gamma spike through a specific cognitive action, they trained him to hold it longer
• The ultimate goal was the Prometheus system: a brain neural interface that could reproduce the specific brainwave signals Jose generated while interfacing with objects, allowing an ordinary person (e.g., an Air Force pilot without psychic ability) to control a UAP through a controller that outputs those same brainwave patterns
• Jose describes this as building a “human joystick” — his consciousness served as the bridge to translate psychic control into a mechanistic, replicable signal

Interfacing with recovered technology: the relic called Sylvia

• Technology and objects were never stored at the facility; they were brought in by teams of about eight security personnel in large boxes, and Jose was never allowed to interact with the delivery teams
• These objects were referred to within the program not as “tech” but as relics — a term suggesting they may not be of extraterrestrial origin but something far older
• Three months before entering Baker Victory, Jose was taken from school to a local psychologist’s office in a residential neighborhood — not a military base, but an ordinary-looking office
  • Inside, he found plainclothed security personnel, a woman with a clipboard who refused to make eye contact, and his psychologist
  • On the coffee table, under a blanket that Jose now believes was Faraday shielding, sat a crystal orb about the size of a basketball, mounted on a three-pronged pedestal
  • The orb had a defined clear shell, but its interior was alive — fractalized, swirling, self-illuminating white crystalline structures resembling Jupiter’s atmosphere or a VVS diamond, emitting its own light source
  • When Jose locked eyes with it, the internal structure adapted and mirrored his eye movements; he felt a somatic sensation in his brain as if the object was linking with him, coming into him — not telepathy, but a direct connection
  • The experience lasted about 30 seconds before the blanket was replaced; his psychologist told him, “It picks who it likes, and I think it likes you”
• Three months later at Baker Victory, Jose was reintroduced to the orb through guided sessions with Meg
  • He was able to shift his consciousness out of body and make contact with it remotely, as if the initial physical interaction had created a permanent tunnel or pathway
  • Through telepathic communication, the orb identified itself as Sylvia — a feminine consciousness
  • Sylvia communicated that it was connected to human thought forms — that human thoughts, imaginings, and conscious experiences take on form elsewhere, and Sylvia was somehow an embodiment or nexus of that process
  • It described gender as a spectrum rather than a fixed binary, suggesting that qualities like masculinity and femininity scale across dimensions beyond the human body
  • Sylvia was entirely neutral — neither good nor evil, non-dualistic, and unwilling to cooperate with program staff who demanded schematics or blueprints of how it worked
  • Jose was repeatedly tasked to “go talk to Sylvia” and return with technical information, but Sylvia refused to engage with anyone except Jose
  • Jose has no idea how the program acquired Sylvia; it never disclosed its origin, and the program staff themselves did not know what it was
• Jose notes a striking resemblance between Sylvia and the crystal orb held by Christ in Leonardo da Vinci’s painting of Salvator Mundi, and suggests these objects may have been present on Earth for a very long time, hidden within esoteric traditions

Piloting UAP through consciousness

• Jose was asked to interface with various objects — not at the facility itself, but remotely, through consciousness projection
  • He would lie in deep meditation, often with sedatives and auditory aids, and shift his awareness into a target object located elsewhere
  • The technique involved a “split-screen” visualization: in his mind’s eye, he maintained both a third-person view (seeing the object and its surroundings from outside) and a first-person view (seeing from the object’s perspective)
  • By alternating between these two perspectives — imagining where he wanted to go from the first-person view, then confirming the result from the third-person view — he could pilot the object up, down, left, and right
  • EEG monitoring confirmed distinct brainwave patterns during successful piloting
• He worked with multiple classes of objects, noting that different individuals resonated with different types — he might work well with object A but not B or C, suggesting a consciousness-level signal matching between operator and craft
• His experience was limited to proving the concept — building “muscle memory” and demonstrating feasibility — rather than running daily missions
• This aligns with accounts from Jake Barber (who wrote Sentinels of Ether under the pseudonym Alva Douglas) describing P3s (people with psionic predisposition potentials) being used to fly recovered craft through neural interfaces, sometimes with pharmacological assistance

The pipeline’s intended trajectory and Jose’s escape

• Jose was told he would progress from the two-year Baker Victory program to a boarding school in Eastern New York, where he would live full-time and engage in these activities permanently — at which point he would likely have disappeared into the underground legacy program
• By grace of his mother’s advocacy and his own school district’s petitioning, the state of New York moved to audit Baker Victory Services in 2010
• The facility refused state access for five months; when an audit became imminent, Jose was hastily returned to his home school district in September 2010
• He had been on over a dozen antipsychotics during his time there (Haldol, Zoloft, and others); within one year of returning home, all medications were removed and every psychological diagnosis was cleared
• Jose made a deliberate decision to forget everything and never speak of it, which worked for over a decade

The 2023 memory recovery and psychological crisis

• In late 2022 and early 2023, under high stress from startup work and a relationship ending, Jose began experiencing brutal PTSD-level flashbacks — nightmares of being in labs, surrounded by people whose names he was suddenly remembering
• Over approximately two months, he recalled experiences he had no previous memory of, including lab settings and procedures he initially had no vocabulary to describe
• He sought therapy and began investigating his own past, discovering gaps in his school records and documentation of a life he did not remember living
• In January 2023, he attempted suicide from the sheer disorientation of waking up to an entire forgotten childhood
• He describes the experience as feeling like the main character in Stranger Things — a reference to the Montauk experiment mythology — but in real life

Engagement with the disclosure community

• Through 2024, Jose gathered records and evidence to support the credibility of his case
• He made contact with Ross Coulthart, flew to DC, and provided testimony; Coulthart introduced him to Jake Barber (before Barber went public) in approximately June 2024
• Barber was the first person who truly understood what Jose was describing — Barber had also been a GATE kid and experienced similar program elements
• Jose joined the Skywatcher team alongside Barber, James Fowler, and others, leading psionic operations aimed at eliciting UAP responses through consciousness-based protocols rather than military hardware
  • Sessions involved groups of about 30 people listening to synchronized binaural beat tracklists, performing shared visualizations, and opening their hearts to invite contact
  • These sessions produced environmental anomalies — random number generators (RNGs) shifted multiple sigmas, and plasma orbs appeared, including at a notable 2024 event at the Esalen Institute where blue orbs emerged from the ocean
  • The phenomena elicited through heart-centered, love-based protocols were consistently benign and neutral — curious, even loving
  • By contrast, mechanistic “dog whistle” approaches using directed energy tended to produce aggressive responses, which Jose interprets as the phenomenon reflecting back the intention of the operators
• Jose left Skywatcher in July 2025, feeling that the military-industrial framework — the “wounded masculine” approach of trying to weaponize or tactically exploit these phenomena — is the wrong paradigm for humanity’s next chapter
• He experienced a dangerous incident during a session where his consciousness was locked into a responding object and directed energy weapons were fired at it — he felt his body turning to stone and barely extracted his consciousness in time, an experience he attributes to the object being detected on radar and engaged as a threat

Consciousness as the root of disclosure

• Jose argues that consciousness is not produced by the brain but is the fundamental substrate of reality — the material world is a reflexive projection, and awareness is the universal medium
• He distinguishes between consciousness (the vehicle or container) and awareness (the driver) — many things can hold consciousness, but awareness is the deeper, universal substrate
• UAPs may not be extraterrestrial spacecraft in the conventional sense but rather interdimensional manifestations — awareness from higher dimensions projecting itself into the third dimension, taking forms such as plasma orbs or structured craft
• Directed energy may force these transdimensional manifestations to materialize and become bound to our dimension, which is how some crash retrieval operations may work: a psionic “honeypot” invites contact, then directed energy forces materialization and capture
• He also considers the possibility that some phenomena are extensions of human consciousness itself — our collective thoughts and intentions materializing in plasma form
• The real lesson of disclosure, in his view, is not that we are alone or that aliens exist, but that reality is far more expansive than we have been told, and the answers lie in understanding our own consciousness rather than looking outward

Parallels with other accounts and the gate kid pipeline

• Jose’s story closely parallels that of Dan Sherman (Above Black), who was given headphones, pills, and told to flatten a sine wave at an NSA facility — Sherman was told his mother was genetically altered while pregnant to give him psychic abilities for communicating with extraterrestrials through Project Preserve Destiny
• It also parallels Andre Puharich’s work with “ideal space kids” in upstate New York, channeling non-human intelligence in Faraday cages
• Jose speculates that the GATE program, founded in 1972 by Sydney Marland (before the Church Committee exposed MKUltra), may have been designed from the start as a funnel to identify children with psionic predisposition potential
• He notes that MITRE Corporation — a federally funded research and development center — is a key node in legacy program infrastructure, and that Congressman Eric Berlage has demanded MITRE open its records on UAP-related involvement
• Odyssey Systems also appears connected, likely providing data management platforms for program operations

The neuroscience of psychic ability

• Jose has undergone MRI imaging through the research of Gary Nolan (Stanford microbiologist), who studies the caudate nucleus and putamen — parts of the basal ganglia
• Individuals with high neuronal density (striation) in these regions tend to exhibit stronger psychic abilities, greater mind-over-matter effects, and more frequent UAP encounters
• Jose shows very high striation in these areas
• However, he cautions against reducing consciousness to physiological markers — the answer is more likely to be found in metaphysical, quantum observational, and intrinsic frameworks rather than purely materialistic neuroscience
• He also notes his own Rh-negative blood type, which some in the psychic community correlate with thinner veils and greater clairvoyance, though he acknowledges this is disputed

Synchronicities, time, and the nature of reality

• Jose views synchronicities as highly personal communications — possibly from a higher version of oneself or from a different timeline — serving as guiding nudges rather than random coincidences
• He believes time is not a static law of nature but is reflexive and influenced by the observer’s awareness — the more we measure and constrain reality with technological observation, the more we may be limiting the range of possibilities available to us
• He references Rudolf Steiner’s interpretation of Goethe’s epistemology — that the next paradigm shift in knowledge will be “cognition by identification,” where understanding comes not from observer-observed separation but from embodying the thing studied, which is precisely the technique he was trained in as a child
• He also references Eric Wargo’s Time Loops concept of the “long body” — a quantum self that may be able to send information backward in time, potentially explaining presentiment, precognitive dreams, and intuitions about survival-critical events

Jose’s current mission and the Telepathy Center

• Jose is building the Telepathy Center (thetelepathycenter.com), launching in June 2025, as a safe container for GATE survivors and others targeted by these programs
• The platform will include tools for testing and developing intuitive abilities, including RNG-based experiments
• He is seeking clinicians who think outside the box on psychology — particularly around dissociation, which is the least-studied trauma response and central to how these programs hide themselves
• He envisions a complete re-evaluation of psychology itself, moving beyond the DSM toward a framework that accounts for the non-locality of consciousness and the mind-matter connection
• He is also seeking conscious capital — investors and supporters who want to help this population without exploiting it
• His personal message: he has walked through darkness figuratively and literally, and while the disclosure narrative is conspiratorial and dark, humanity stands at a crossroads between a left-hand path (control, weaponization, exploitation) and a right-hand path (collective understanding, embodiment, ascension) — and the potential for a brand new renaissance is available if we choose it